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I’m so sick of this game. Who invented POLITICS? can anybody answer me?

As an audience of this lawless game of greedy players, all i can do is hold my breath till it’s more than i can take, close my eyes and dream that i’m dead. what’s the point of living under the power of these villains?

even though they don’t flock together, but they’re feathers are one and the same. administrations…oppositions……???? they’re both parasites leeching from us who put their greedy asses to where they are now…. who’s to blame? we put them there…,, and now, here they are controlling our lives.. got a word against them? speak up and tomorrow you’re not part of the Philippine census anymore…

POLITICS is all about POWER and MONEY… other than that, it’s martyrdom…

—torni, karon pa jud ko kabalik internet hehehe… busy kaayo ang career oi.. kabalo na bitaw ka aning kinabuhi sa showbiz..

“who’s to blame? we put them there…,, and now, here they are controlling our lives.. got a word against them? speak up and tomorrow you’re not part of the Philippine census anymore…”

- TNB, ironically Jun Lozada himself exclaimed that “we get the government that we deserve.” and if I may add, these same imperishable POLITICIANS, for that matter.

There’s something about “an insider” that catches people’s attention.

Alam natin na may pinanggagalingan ang mga sinasabi niya e.

And thanks to our Christian upbringing, we’re more than willing to forgive and accept a repentant sinner.

Lester
www.lestercavestany.com

Lester, would you not consider also this Christian upbringing as that which brought about the Erap pardon and the seeming acceptance of it by the people? Last thing i heard, Erap has not repented one bit, he even proclaimed innocence, and worse even declared as “vindicated” by the Vatican for its alleged opposition to his ouster. just a thought.

“sucked in” is a very good term indeed for this man’s predicament.

You know what? I was expecting a very big expose of some sort when he surfaced. i was very disappointed to learn that it seems that his testimony is not that significant considering that it stops at Chairman Abalos. IMO, there is nothing substantial that would tie in the FG to his testimonies as much as most people would like to pin this down on him and cause GMA’s ouster.

Of course, I am not a lawyer so maybe i am missing something

Jeez, he said that getting a 20% commission was the norm. This percentage, translated into pesos is already in the millions. Such greed!

tito rolly, you’re right. my opinion, if his testimony at the senate is presented as evidence in a court of law there’s a good chance that it would NOT be admitted in evidence for being mere hearsay. He never witnessed the actual act of briberty but rather he only heard of this “fact” from either neri or abalos. And the implication of the FG, is at best, a mere supposition being drawn from his alleged conversations with Abalos.

Precisely, it is error to compare him to Clarissa Ocampo who was a DIRECT and DISINTERESTED witness who actually or personally saw Erap sign the documents as Jose Velarde.

I agree with Joker Arroyo that at the end of the day, the transcript of his testmony must be studied in an objective manner. Perhaps, reading the transcripts of Lozada’s testimony, in such manner and setting aside the irrelevant emotional antics, one would probably come to the conclusion that his testimony does not carry enough weight, even to indict Abalos or Neri. Unless and until a direct witness, perhaps in the person of either Neri or Abalos who was in on the alleged bribery would come out, in which case, Lozada’s testmony would be useful as corroborating evidence.

I think this country should be asking the bigger questions here. Regardless, of whether Jun Lozada is friend or foe, hero or villain, conspirator, or accomplice. One fact we can’t deny, is that he exposed yet another corruptive scheme of our amazing gov’t. Amazing coz the people in office have the stomach to take a blind eye & greedy pockets, on the deep turmoil our country has been experiencing ever since time immemorial.
We keep forgetting what history has taught us, and yet we are surrounded by it everyday. How many years were we enslaved by the Spaniards? How many years have the Americans been a part of our government’s decision making during the Marcos’ regime? To think we even needed their recognition for our OWN independence day! Don’t get me wrong, I love America, as a matter of fact, I’m 25% American, but I’m 100% loyal to my country the Philippines. And it’s a sad fact that our people have to find work elsewhere to support their families. We are servants in their countries, and when you come to think of it, we are still servants in our own. What people hold the business sectors in our country? Isn’t it the Chinese, or some other foreigner? Even for the small businesses, like the vendors et al. Who do they run to, to lend them money? The Indians! Why is that? Doesn’t it enrage you being a servant in your own country? And due to what? The highest forms of reptiles in our gov’t.

Sa totoo lang magmula ng maging tao ako, korupsyon na ang nakagisnan kong gobyerno. Nakakawindang na, grabe na talaga. Para bang normal na talaga ang korupsyun sa pang araw araw, na dapat nating tanggapin na may katumbas na pursyento na dapat ‘ilagay’ sa kung sinomang nakaupo na nangangasiwa sa proyekto o ng anumang ahensya ng gobyernong kelangan nating lapitan.
KAILAN BA MAGBABAGO ANG MGA LIDER NG BANSA NA HUMUHULMA SA GOBYERNONG NAG DEDESISYON SA PARAAN NG PAMUMUHAY NG BAWAT PILIPINO?
KAILAN MATITIGIL ANG KORUPSYON?
PAANO NA ANG SINASABI NI RIZAL NA ANG MGA BATA ANG KINABUKASAN NG ATING BANSA, ANO ANG MAGIGING KINABUKASAN NILA, KUNG GANITO ANG GOBYERNO NATIN NGAYON?

I think we’ve had too many Edsa Revolutions, to prove that we have time and again, put in position a corrupt govt. What do we need to change? The people running the gov’t, or the kind of gov’t itself?
It’s a sad fact that a half breed (no insult intended) Filipino in the person of Mr. Jun Lozada had the guts to stand up to those bulging corrupt officials. To be questioned, to be ridiculed, to be terrorized day after day, and undergo this agonizing reality. Again, if he’s a fake, so what? Isn’t what he’s claiming, not true? Whether you take a 20% or a 50% commission isn’t the bigger question here, it’s the fact that this gov’t did! Can one say, “Oh I just stabbed him once, I didn’t shoot him, he just died 20% not 50%!” A crime is a crime people. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball!
So the bigger, and probably biggest question here is, what do we DO after this? Put another corrupt gov’t in office? Isn’t it commonsense, if something hasn’t been working for what 40 years more or less, then it won’t ever work? Let’s do steps to change. Does it really matter if we give up our democracy for a freer life? (Or is this still a democratic country at all?) Free from oppression, Free from poverty, Free from ignorance, and most of all, Free from a corrupt gov’t. What is democracy anyhow, if our children are becoming dumber and their stomachs are empty?
It took one man to stand up to the Spaniards, and his life to start a revolution to gain our independence. How many men will it take to reclaim our True Nation’s Freedom? Would it take a Ninoy Aquino, a Clarissa Ocampo, or a Jun Lozada to open our wide shut eyes to the whole truth and nothing but the damning truth? And when we find the truth, what are we willing to do about it?

Those who are trying to demean the witness’ (JUN Lozada) are using the oldest trick of a defense lawyer, to put down a man’s character so he won’t deem credible. Aside from the dramatics of all of this fiasco’, let us keep a watchful eye on the FACTS please, not the MAN. If anything, Jun Lozada may be that vessel of liberation we haven’t experienced since Pres. Ramon Magsaysay. Or does our freedom come in percentages too?

Citizen X, that’s quite an impassioned writing you got there. I very much share the frustration.

Dont get me wrong though, Lozada is a credible witness, and his testimony is likewise credible. When I say credible, it is believable.

But it cannot be denied that his is nothing more than hearsay (or second-hand) testimony. His knowledge about the ZTE deal is only based on what he “heard” from another person, NOT based on personal knowledge. There is nothing I want more than the truth being ferreted out, but there is more danger in ASSUMING the truth from mere hearsay statements.

Hi siu,

thanks for your reply. I fully agree with your thoughts on the “christian upbringing” theory. in fact, let’s add another example - the public readily forgave pres arroyo when she apologized for the hello garcia scandal.

Thanks,
Lester

PS.. i agree with rolly’s disappointment over j-lo. i also thought that he would bring out the big guns in his senate hearing testimonies. sadly, he only had big accusations with no evidence to back them up. i was all revved up to support another edsa but now that it’s clear we don’t have any evidence yet against the alleged corruption in the arroyo administration, it might be better to save ourselves the trouble and live to fight another day

I recently came across the website below regarding Mr. Jun Lozada and I thought I should share it with you:

patriots4truth.blogspot.com

It might help us arrive at a clearer discernment of the truth about the man.

Art Magno, thanks for the links. Apparently, those are wiretapped conversations posted on that site. Whew, and the plot thickens.

since the issue of the zte investigation is about graft and corruption in gov’t, i am interested to know what other anomalies jun lozada is privy in, if he really is for the truth, he should take this opportunity to divulge all he knows concerning irregularities/grafts/corruptions in the years working for or dealing with the goverment. we need to hold ALL government officials past or present accountable for their actions, otherwise corruption would just go on. we are concentrating to hard on catching the one big fish that we are letting go of a lot of the small fries which in the end would grow up and become giant fishes.

on another point, i’m so so dissapointed with corazon aquino, i was with edsa 1 and i used to consider her a hero, but now, she is but a worthless piece of shit, she did nothing during her presidency except play stage mother and play majong. and if arroyo is corrupt thru her husband, aquino was and is corrupt thru her brother. they’ve cheated the farmers of hacienda luisita and up to now, no justice has been given to all those massacred during the luisita demonstration